19redstar (July 12, 2009 at 8:05 am)

I consider Europeans to be among the most "free" of all people in Western culture. Every time a revolutions start to occur and order is restored with more acceptable laws. Russians have a strong sense of moral code, less crime, and no poor class or homeless.

foxxagain (July 11, 2009 at 11:56 pm)

Yes, you do demonstrate poor logic.Rather than admit it when a valid point is made,you try and avoid it. You did this with my points on economic growth/China etc. I have refuted your points, including the nonsense about various propaganda.You cannot take cover by pointing to science in the USSR,and saying that you also have logic.What an inane argument.Grow a brain you stupid buffoon.

foxxagain (July 11, 2009 at 11:52 pm)

Read my earlier post. I said advanced states cannot grow at the same rate as newly growing states. I did not say they could not advance.This is just economic common sense.The rate of growth must slow in time.Your saying that China is growing faster than U.K, or France and is thereby superior,is misleading.You have a poor grasp of economics.

foxx29 (July 11, 2009 at 11:43 pm)

You're wrong again.You cannot compare the U.S.or the West which might nationalize a few banks etc in the extreme cases of economic upheaval which we are seeing presently to the sort of full-strength nationalisation that happens in communist nations.The U.S. and others took very unusual steps so as to avoid various collapses.Communists nationalise due to ideology.The two are very distinct.Your comparison is invalid.

foxx29 (July 11, 2009 at 11:37 pm)

What you propose is flawed. A 'hybrid' system of Socialism and Capitalism would, by virtue of fundamental tensions inherent in the opposing systems, find itself internally conflicted.Capitalism succeeded because it went hand-in-hand with wide freedoms afforded by democracy.Socialism curtails many human freedoms,so to say the two can co-exist happily is nonsense.

foxx29 (July 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm)

You think you are "backing up" your arguments ? You must be delusional,for you have not done anything like that.You have not succeeded in refuting my points about propaganda,or about economic growth in China and Vietnam. Avoiding the truth and refusing to debate shows you concede defeat.Too bad for you I guess.

MercifulBoss (July 11, 2009 at 1:44 pm)

Indeed, thanks for finally noticing I back up my arguments with hard evidence...

MercifulBoss (July 11, 2009 at 1:43 pm)

And yet, America has embraced some of these, "idiotic...socialist principles". Previously, America condemened Capitalist nations for having various institutionalized industries. After the recession began, America has begun instutionalzing some of these very same industries.China is mostly Communist or Socialist, however from the combination of Capitalism and Communism it creates a stable system.There is no such thing as being so advanced that further advancement is impossible.

somethingboring (July 11, 2009 at 1:43 pm)

It was actually during World War 2 that Stalin made some slight reforms, which he later reversed, the only reason Stalin made some of the liberal reforms he did was out of the same reason he was as brutal as he was.Socialism is inherently flawed, but that's not what we're argueing about, the Soviet Union simply lacked human rights such as freedom of movement, expression, speech etc.

MercifulBoss (July 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm)

I am not saying to stop insulting. What I am saying is attempting to find new, previously unused insults, if you are so intellectually dysfunctional. Learn to comprehend what is written.

MercifulBoss (July 11, 2009 at 1:25 pm)

Most of my arguments are not logic, but rather historical facts, that I use to support my points. Poot logic was not the fall of the Soviet Union. If it was, how would you account for the large amount of theoretical physicists that it produced, and flew to space first?Your arguments are not supported, and spew outright ignorance as a result. I suggest adding legitamate arguments, with supporting evidence. Fool. You have lost, for you lack arguments.

MercifulBoss (July 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm)

They could, depending upon what documents one signed, and the circumstances in which one leaves. The KGB had a long reach.