object000 (July 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm)

It depends on your idea of knowlege. I think all knowlege we have is more like an abstract model of reality (becoming vere closer, on a cultural level, to an accurate one, but will never truly reflect all reality), rather than an actual knowlege. In this understanding the very way we percieve and understand is where the 'knowlege' becomes memetic, rather than absolute truth...Again its all about the subjectivity : )

object000 (July 10, 2009 at 1:23 pm)

Thats the exciting thing: as memes break free of genes...Already the way they evolve so much faster than egnes means that they are starting to controll genes. All genetic manipulation is part of this trend, and when we really start genetically modifying our own speciesgenetic evolution will have succombed to memetic...And, as you say, memes on machines will be purely memetic organisms...Susan Blackmore thinks these are a new type (temes), but I think its an unneccesary destinction...

tehknologik (July 2, 2009 at 10:48 pm)

All culture is memetic of course, by definition. But I don't see a scientific theory, like the theory of evolution, as part of culture. Some ideas are infectious because that's what they evolved primarily to be. Knowledge on the other hand, is a product of science, and requires focus and struggle to attain.

object000 (July 2, 2009 at 10:19 pm)

Back to memes: They were mostly transmitted vertically too, and used to have to benefit the genes of their host, but now that they can spread so much faster they have no need to ensure a specific hosts survival. Now they can damage individuals, and may wipe out our species (their genetic hosts)and so be an evolutionary failure.ALL culture is memetic, and seperating 'good' scientific culture from "mind viruses" is falling into the incorrect dualistic view of things espoused by religions...

object000 (July 2, 2009 at 9:53 pm)

So how did this (I'm sorry, I don't know your specific conception of the devine) complex being called GOD come about?

object000 (July 2, 2009 at 9:52 pm)

I do think that over the HUGE geological time periods it seems to have taken for even the most basic organic molecules to form, and the innevitably equally huge number of different combinations that they would combine in over these millennia, any combination which happened to be able to pass on its own structure in some way would proliferate. Any variation which did better would then dominate, and we're off!

object000 (July 2, 2009 at 9:45 pm)

The free flow of energy through ALL of space has not resulted in life everywhere.There are not scientific theories for everything (limited time, interest, or as in this case complex subject matter prevent it), but that doesn't mean that there is no scientific or naturalistic explanation.

object000 (July 2, 2009 at 9:40 pm)

perfect for what? For the creatures that have spent their entire evolution just trying to maximise their abilities to survive and reproduce in it? Or at least this teeeny little bubble of it that is all we can find which supports life, of any kind at all...(And by "trying to maximise" I just mean that those thad did do better passed on those abilities, not that they were activly aiming to improve their abilities... you know evolution...)

tehknologik (July 1, 2009 at 2:38 am)

lol, if you say so. thank you for taking the time to comment on my video.

geeaea (July 1, 2009 at 1:05 am)

Yes, you've controlled your anger ..now release your fear, my young padawan. ;)The telltale indicator is the shunning of meaningful debate.Thank you for that.

tehknologik (June 30, 2009 at 10:24 pm)

No, sorry. Just constipation.

geeaea (June 30, 2009 at 9:29 pm)

Something for you to digest in the name of science and the non-plausibility of Intelligent design - ie. GOD